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FogBugz on Amazon EC2?

I'd like to run FogBugz on an Amazon EC2 Windows server and am trying to figure out if that's possible.

The concern is that the EC2 servers are virtual servers so their MAC addresses and C:/ drive hardware descriptors change every time they are restarted.  If the FogBugz licensing is based on URLs or license files, then everything is easy but if it tries to look for hardware changes then it's likely to be a real nightmare.
cloud guy Send private email
Monday, December 15, 2008
 
 
The license files are based on machine name and SID, so this is pretty much not going to happen.  Have you considered FogBugz On Demand?
Rich Armstrong Send private email
Tuesday, December 16, 2008
 
 
Rich-

I appreciate your taking the time to reply, but I have no idea what you reply means. 

Since I don't know what a SID is or how it is generated I can't tell whether the "this" which is not going to happen is "having a problem" or "not having a problem".  If a SID is some kind of hardware-based System ID then perhaps you mean it's not going to happen that FogBugz can run on EC2.  If a SID is some other kind of object then perhaps you mean that since it doesn't use MAC addresses it's not going to happen that there is a problem.

I don't mean to be pedantic, but could you help me out with a few more words in your answer?

thanks
cloud guy Send private email
Tuesday, December 16, 2008
 
 
Our best guess is that this won't work because the license file does rely on machine ID's such as a mac address, host ID, or in the case of Windows, a SID ( http://support.microsoft.com/kb/243330 ).
Michael H. Pryor Send private email
Tuesday, December 16, 2008
 
 
Thanks for the update, Michael.

And Rich, yes, I've looked at FogBugz on demand, but as I read the docs it was $25/user/month which is hard for me to justify.  I think we have about six users, which means we'd be paying about $1200/year more for FogBugz on demand than we currently pay hosting it ourselves.  The convenience of on demand would be really nice, but unless I really misunderstood something in the pricing model the FogBugz on demand pricing is simply broken.  I can get a full-blown dedicated server that can run dozens of sites and apps in addition to FogBugz *and* have the colo facility do daily backups of the data for that price (and the disparity just gets worse as we grow bigger).
cloud guy Send private email
Tuesday, December 16, 2008
 
 
EC2 rocks.

Fog Creek: Please add some flex to how the licensing works.

Locking to hardware is _so_ 90's (<g>).

Our production servers except one dedicated SQL box are VM's now. We move em around, back em up, and generally sleep soooo much better....

And the SIDs do change as a result of all this... Not every day, but in certain (normal) cases... right in our office.
Sam Jones
Wednesday, December 17, 2008
 
 
Sam,

If I run a web server on an EC2 box doesn't that mean that it has to be up and running 24/7? Which makes it look expensive?

Or does it have black magic that allows it to "sleep" (i.e. consume far fewer resources) and hence not to charge (as much)?

James
James Murphy Send private email
Thursday, December 18, 2008
 
 
Yes, you run an EC2 box 24x7 when it is a 'real' app server. (Since you have remote management of the box, you _could_ stop and start it via a batch file on your prem, so you could keep it off in the wee hours, if you want.)

For web apps, you can pay anywhere from $80/month to $450/month for a 24x7 EC2 box.


EC2 rocks. The flexibility is really amazing. We use it for dev and test servers daily, and are working toward running production code on it.

Outfits like Rackspace are in deep deep trouble. (I am a long time Rackspace customer, and loved them deeply until recently.)

Thursday, December 18, 2008
 
 
The post just above is from me... (seems I zapped the name field by accident)
Sam Jones
Thursday, December 18, 2008
 
 
It would appear that you can make EC2 hold a constant SID:

http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/thread.jspa?threadID=27297

Not tried this myself.
Will Dean
Friday, December 19, 2008
 
 

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